Dear PyGui Renaming

[hoffstadt]

Renaming Dear PyGui

As many already know, we plan on renaming Dear PyGui in the future. We believe we have finally settled on names (at least for the packages themselves).
We have reserved (on pypi) the name pixels for Dear PyGui and voxels for the eventual Dear PyGui 3D engine. For example:

pip install pixels
pip install voxels

import pixels.pixels as px
with px.window():
    px.add_button()
px.start_pixels()

However, the names pixels and voxels are too generic and would be very hard to search for online so we'd like to expand on these names for the "official" name of the library (website, documentation, repo, etc.). For example, DPG Pixels, Awesome Pixels, Stinky Pixels, or whatever. If you have any good ideas, please leave them below. Nothing silly and please don't waste our time. Only post serious contenders.

Bonus points if you can come up with a logo or any other branding material.

[technosight]

• viewxel
• vuxel
• vuxels

[bryceschober]

If you're really solid on the decision of pixels/voxels, then just do python-pixels and python-voxels as sufficient disambiguation.

[Polsaker]

what about pyxels? It has only 187k results in google, as opposed to almost a billion for pixels, so it should be easier to google stuff related to the library

[leogout]

• pypixels (3 200 search results)
• pyvoxels (no search results)

[ma1ex]

dpgixels, dpgoxels - where dpg is Dear PyGui.

[chomouri]

pixterism is a portmanteau of pixel and asterism and has no hits on google.

"An asterism may be understood as an informal group of stars within the area of an official or defunct former constellation, or crossing the boundaries of two or more constellations."
If you consider item widgets to be like stars, and a collection of widgets (i.e. container items) to be constellations, an asterism is an apt description of framework in this extended metaphor.

[technosight]

viewxels, vuxel or vuxels seems to be (almost) unique

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[Tremeschin]

[AnantTiwari-Naman]

impyxels is the best name IMO

[hoffstadt]

I like most of the suggestions however ideally, I'd like to keep the package name on pypi pixels and voxels. So we don't necessarily mean a play of the words. More of adding to the words, i.e. Pixels UI.

I don't mean to be picky but I'm also not a big fan of slapping "py" in the title.

[ma1ex]

I like most of the suggestions however ideally, I'd like to keep the package name on pypi pixels and voxels. So we don't necessarily mean a play of the words. More of adding to the words, i.e. Pixels UI.

Since Dear PyGui is being completely renamed, could we keep some unique part of the previous name in order to tie in with the framework name people already know? For example, "Dear" is Dear Pixels/Voxels.

[keck-in-space]

Interesting. pixels and voxels are extremely generic names. I am not sure those are great options since as you mentioned it would be difficult to search for those, and I also feel they don't adequately describe the project.

I really like DearPyGui. Can you explain a bit more about the desire to change the name?

[keck-in-space]

Immediate Pixels and Immediate Voxels would at least disambiguate things a little, but still sound very generic to my ear and they don't really indicate anything about GUI use (unless you're already aware of the context of immediate mode).

[keck-in-space]

Gooey Pixels and Gooey Voxels are also unique names. Perhaps indicating GUI use, but really I just borrowed that naming idea from Gooey - https://github.com/chriskiehl/Gooey

[zachlewis]

Coming from the VFX community, I'd expect libraries named "pixels" and "voxels" to have something to do with primarily converting, manipulating, or otherwise processing images and volumes, respectfully.

Why not just pygui and pygui3d ?

Or if you absolutely must, pygui-pixels, pygui-voxels.

Also, I feel compelled to note there's a "retro game engine" project on pypi named pyxel. I don't think "pyxel" is a wonderful name for that project either : )

[kom9119]

Why is DearPyGui no longer good enough?
He describes exactly what this is about.
It is also a shame that the development concept
since version 0.6 has been changed so significantly.

Why are the previous decisions no longer good enough?

Greetings from Michael, Germany

[hoffstadt]

Why is DearPyGui no longer good enough?

The name change is mostly to avoid confusion with Dear ImGui. Too many people confuse us as being a wrapping but we are not. In no way can you even consider us immediate mode.

It is also a shame that the development concept
since version 0.6 has been changed so significantly.

Which ways in particular? We tried to make things more consistent in 0.8. The old ways were not as scalable and this would have shown with the upcoming text editor widget and 3D engine.

We understand that we sacrificed a bit of the "easiness" but in return we have a consistent API, can be more easily wrapped, and an easier to maintain code base.

@keck-in-space

[keck-in-space]

Very interesting. I understand wanting to prevent confusion around it being a wrapper, but it does feel appropriate to somehow indicate the dependency of imgui. Seeing the name DearPyGui for me instantly made me excited because I knew it would be something I could use in Python to take advantage of imgui, which was something I'd struggled to use prior to DPG. Maybe DearPyGUI Toolkit to indicate that it isn't a wrapper is an option we could think about. But, To be honest I can still see people making the assumption that it is a wrapper with that name too. Thanks for the answer, @hoffstadt!

[hoffstadt]

We will always indicate the Dear ImGui dependency, both on the readme and the about menu! We would just like to consider ourselves a "built with" rather than a wrapping. We discussed this a bit with Omar himself recently.

I suppose there is a chance we keep the name if another good name doesn't come up that sticks out. This is actually our second rename, so we are not in a rush to rename. It was named Marvel Sandbox when we first started out lol.

[keck-in-space]

I wasn't trying to say you weren't properly crediting Dear ImGui, just that a reference to it in the name made the project exciting to me since I knew this would mean ImGui like functionality in Python.

I like the name Marvel Sandbox actually, but understand moving to DPG.

[hoffstadt]

I will say, you guys have made me realize Pixels/Voxels may not be the best choice...

[bryceschober]

I'd say you have a good enough name, stick with it. It's not horrible, and the cost to users of finding help from 3rd-party sources when the name changes would be pretty disruptive.

If you're looking for a good name for the 3D thing, make it a closer cousin to DearPyGUI, like DearPy3D. The symmetry and the differentiation with that pair is very self-explanatory. It also leaves room to build on your good heritage with other things like DearPyEditor, DearPyAudio, DearPyNet, etc.

[hoffstadt]

This is a great idea!

[keck-in-space]

I like DearPy3D a lot and agree with your points about keeping the current naming heritage.

[hoffstadt]

I think you guys settled it for me lol.

[robinwood3d]

I'm late.

DearPieGui
DearPie3D
And new icon with a Pie

import dearpiegui as pie
import dearpie3d as pie3d

[Kochise]

If you are to differentiate yourself from Dear ImGui despite relying on it, would you like to keep the Dear part as a legacy or are you ready to ditch it all together ? After all you were even going for pixels and voxels...

Yet if you are also integrating a 3D part as well, this project is turning into a full blown UX engine, so why not something like DearUxGui or PyUxGui (aka PUG, if you like these dogs). PyUx exists already, at an orphaned WIP stage though...

My 0.02€